ELLISVILLE COUNCIL ARE SHOWING THEY ONLY LOOK AFTER THEMSELVES A
BUNCH OF BUMS

ellisville council who live a long way from proposed walmart don,t care about those who are close to it, probably getting payoffs.

I saw 4 of them with their little signs yesterday, mostly ignored by the passing traffic.
At least they got some fresh air rather than sitting on their couch watching soaps.

MW--

Re: The People of Walmart web site...

I hadn't seen the site for a while. Apparently they are still posting current pics and have it sorted by state.

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/category/location/mo/?state=1

This does not bode well for Ellisville.

Since I am rarely in a Walmart, I did not realize it was quite this bad.

Liz;
I am disappointed at you. Jimmy C posts that sort of tripe, but I would think that someone who feels as disenfranchised as you seem to feel would have at least some empathy for others.

Your crocodile tears for the peopleofwalmart.com are noted.

[ I still haven't heard you express much concern over the Missouri Wal-Mart employees who got ripped-off to the tune of $90 MILLION by the corporate wage thieves you want to welcome into our community.]

I was expressing surprise at the longevity of the site and the continuous updates.

It started about the same time Robert Greenwald came out with "Wal-Mart: The high cost of Low Price."

>>>Documentary filmmaker Robert Greenwald takes a look inside the discount retailer’s empire in Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price, and discovers a company short on scruples and long on shabby treatment of the people who work for them.<<<

Watch it here for free:

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/wal-mart-the-high-cost-of-low-price/

It's a bit dated as Wal-Mart Corp. has engaged in so much more heinous behavior since the debut. He needs a sequel.

Liz,
Your hatred of walmart is also noted, as well as you insensitivity to people who disagree with you. But the big question here is, even if Walmart goes away, the owners have still sold you out. If kmart would try to move in instead would you have the save vile proclivities toward them? You should be honest with people Liz. Spewing vileness toward walmart isnt going to make the owners not want to sell their properties to the highest bidder. If you succeed in keeping the owners from selling. Do you honestly believe that they will say thanks Liz you just cost us our retirements?

They deserve (as does any property owner) the option of selling or not selling at a free market price and NOT under the Threat of Eminent Domain for private economic development purposes which in nothing but legalized extortion.

Perhaps some of the owners are relying on the continued rental income from Clarkchester Apartments as part of their retirement plan.

Since we are only allowed to hear from one pair of owners, the one pair who actively support the project and think that the taxpayers of Ellisville are like "children" who must rely on the City Council who are like "parents," we'll never know, now will we?

Enough is enough is enough! Enough of writing articles with no new information in them, but just enough to get people riled up! Enough of threats of recalling officials who have done a darn fine job in their capacities but since they didn't vote how someone wanted them to, now they are being threatened with recall and a lot more! Enough of the plethora of misinformation being passed around that just gets people riled up again!
Fact: The Clarkchester Apartments have been listed as an area of redevelopment for YEARS. The 8 owners knew about this and did nothing at any of the planning meetings. Sansone wasn’t in the picture 8 years ago when they were first labeled for redevelopment so I have a hard time believing there are owners who are now feeling bullied about selling their buildings. The owners did NOTHING for at least 8 years.
Fact: This has NOTHING to do with eminent domain. Eminent domain was NEVER invoked and Sansone didn’t have the power of eminent domain until the ordinance was approved. If the owners truly wanted to make a stand, they could have come forward without a lawyer and said so. The way the media treats “victims” of eminent domain, they would have been heroes. Not one owner came forward.

Fact: If the TIF hadn't passed, the residents of Clarkchester would be getting NOTHING. Only if the TIF passed could the City Council then pass the ordinance for them to get relocation expenses.

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And yes, K James, I have a problem with white collar wage thieves who steal from employees, practice tax dodging and them come begging for taxpayer handouts.

I'm surprised you don't.

If K-Mart and/or their developer were asking for a TIF, I would have the same ideological objection...because it's about TIF and the Threat of Eminent Domain.

It's all made more heinous and disgusting because it involves Walmart, with 2011 revenues of $419 BILLION.

And perhaps you've failed to note that K-Mart doesn't stoop to the lowest, law-suitable practices imaginable to make to make a buck.

Fact: The relocation expenses specified in the ordinance are the GREATER of $1000 or the actual moving expenses. It’s Missouri Revised Statutes Section 523.205.6.

Fact: Wal-Mart is coming. It will bring tax dollars into the City that are needed. Recalling officials will not stop this.

Fact: Of the two officials targeted for recall, one of them (Dawn Anglin) is term limited out of office as of next April. Attempting to recall her is simply an expensive, mean spirited attempt at retaliation for one vote. Name three votes that ANY of the council members have made other than on this development that would cause one to think about recalling them?
Fact: The City gets tax money from residences but not near the money it gets from retail sales tax. Building new apartments, condos, homes will NOT help the city financially like retail sales will.

Fact: The opponents of this development keep saying the majority of the city opposes this project. The majority of the city did NOT vote in the last election. The majority of the city has never attended a city council meeting. The majority of the city has shown by their inaction that either they simply don’t care or they approve of the project and don’t feel the need to speak out.

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Opinion: This council has consistently done their best for the best interest of the city. I’m very sorry that residents are being displaced, but these residents are renters, not tax payers and there are other options available to them. I have heard residents say they can’t afford any other apartments in the city. Could that be because the apartments weren’t kept up and upgraded because the owners knew they were in a redevelopment district and didn’t want to spend the money? I’m tired of hearing that the City Council is heartless and the members don’t give a damn about their City or constituents. That could be further from the truth. This vote was very hard for every member of that council, but they had to do what they thought was best for the city, the whole city.

Opinion: I keep hearing from Liz Schmidt about eminent domain and how the owners were mislead. I personally have spoken to at least five of the owners of Clarkchester (these people own a vast majority of the buildings) and have been told they are happy with the deal put in front of them.

Be done. Let it go. Let's embrace the fact that we can shop in our own community and keep the tax dollars here to improve our lives. I rarely shop in any other community, I am constantly teased by how many people I know when shopping at Dierberg's or knowing who to call because I bowl with someone who has a certain business. This is what community is all about.

Kel-
Fact- Elected officials are to listen to their constituents.
Question- Were you at the council meetings?
If Pirrello uses the old "Well, 70% approves of the project based off a public hearing... you know... the one that I polled the audience 'all those in favor of new development?"....... Who the hell would oppose that argument? The only reason it wasn't 100% is because he happen to throw walmart as the potential tenant into the equation. People hate walmart.... so there is your 30% deferred. Fact- They make TIFs so complex that small people like you think it is ok to just 'let it go' and follow the shiny object.... Fact- Unless u r a felon, vote or shut up. Dont vote? The argument is dead to me.
Fact- Do we really need to pay a Fortune 2 to serve their customers?
Fact- The easiest solution to the problem is to listen to the overwhelming majority of the people who live in your city. THEY could have voted no...
Fact- Like any organization, if you screw up at your job you will get fired. Councilmembers are no different. What a screw up..... investigation.
Fact- There are 5 redevelopment areas for potential development, same situation can occur. I hope you don't live in one.
Opinion- you must be an alderman/council member with an alias, you are drinking the political koolaid. Are you really this dense?

Kel- (or Kelly Pavlack or who ever you are...)

You are certainly entitled to your own opinions...and apparently think you are entitled to you own facts as well.

I have much better things to do with my time than refute the misrepresentations you just listed above.

But, I will take on one of them:

>>>Fact: Wal-Mart is coming...<<<

This is NOT A DONE DEAL...as you and some of the other proponents so desperately want the rest of us to believe.

There are code variances that have to clear the Planning and Zoning Commission and the City Council before Sansone can squeeze this BIG BOX BEHEMOTH on a site that is clearly way too small to accommodate it.

That Wednesday, June 13th 7:00 p.m. Planning and Zoning Public Hearing should be quite an event regarding the code variances on the parking, buffers, etc...

I'm sure than Planning and Zoning Commissioners are getting an earful already.

Planning and Zoning Commission Members

Carl Hoffman

Skip Adams

Dan Duffy

Charles Pavlack

Greg Sanborn

Nanci Sticksel

Chris Turner

James Poisso

Richard Lacaille

guess you are going to bully all the Planning and Zoning Commissioners too, right?

What a treat to be joined by Kel, Legend of Dierberg's. I keep forgetting to grossly inflate my sense of self importance because I own property, pay taxes, and vote.

"Be done. Let it go"? If the conversation is bothering you, you can always leave the room. There are plenty of us who meet your criteria for having an opinion (see above), don't care for the deal at all, and are tired of the nauseating suggestion that the electeds who pushed this through should all be given hugs for making such an agonizing decision.

Shockingly, your community is bigger than your bowling league. As long as we're establishing what community is all about, let's not forget that it is also okay for communities to get "riled up" from time to time. Or maybe we should just skip all that and propose a new town slogan--Ellisville: We shut up and take it.

and I took that comment as $ MW

<have indicated they feel Wildwood and Chesterfield are more considerate of their residents' interests."> My understanding of that comment was that Clarkson Valley's interests were that Wildwood and Chesterfield were more affluent. I felt that they were just saying in a tactful way that Ellisville wasn't socio-economically as significant as the other 2.

K James

Your rush to "correct" is misplaced.

If the info on the City of Ellisville website regarding the membership roster of the Planning and Zoning Commission is incorrect, your correction and complaint is with them -- not me.

>>>I am not sure where you are getting your information, but there are no final plans for review at this time? Are you getting some insider information from somewhere?<<<

Did I say there was a review of final plans at this time? No, I didn’t.

Perhaps you should call City Hall to better understand what the point of the Public Hearing is on June 13th. The agenda is not yet available on line.

If Walmart doesn't build, what happens to the vacant car dealerships? Do they sit and rot for years?

K James

Your rush to "correct" is wrong, misplaced and misdirected(again).

If the info on the City of Ellisville website regarding the membership roster of the Planning and Zoning Commission is incorrect, your correction and complaint should be with City Hall -- not me. That’s from where I copied and pasted it.

>>>I am not sure where you are getting your information, but there are no final plans for review at this time? Are you getting some insider information from somewhere?<<<

Did I say there was a review of final plans at this time? No, I didn’t.

Perhaps you should call City Hall to better understand what the point of the Planning and Zoning Commission Public Hearing is on June 13th. The agenda is not yet available on line.

To All --

I'm offering a free beer to anyone who can come up with the worst slogan using a combination of any of the below:

Ellisville Walmart DESTINATION location passthrough Big Box

If you manage to use all six words, you get a micro-brew 6 pack of your choice.

Liz,
Since i appropriately used all the words. I guess you are buying me beer and a burger, no vegan for me! Yeah i love it when i win somethin! Woohooo!!!!!

I was thinking something along the lines of--

Ellisville: Still a passthrough location to Wildwood with a destination Walmart Big Box only proving, "We Aim Lower."

But, I am certain there are better wordsmiths out there.

Liz;
I am not sure why you are fighting so hard to stay in a city that you obviously detest.

MWatson. I think that she detests anyone who doesn't agree with her.