Giggidy, Giggidy.

Well now BIG MIKE,

Those charges have been a bit of a moving target. The first draft was 11 pages. Then it jumped to 12 pages. Then on the advice of "other" legal counsel, Atty. Paul Martin had to withdraw the two new ones which brought it to a new 12 page document and many of the old charges which the brought it down to the current 9 pages.

Oddly, those now remaining 9 pages still contain elements of the original Katie James citizens complaint which the Charter Enforcement Commission dismissed.

Really, it's hard to keep track of what hare-brained charges they are trying to level against Mayor Paul on any given day...and I'm paying close attention.

You almost need a spreadsheet to track it all...

Posting the same comment twice in different threads does not make you twice as smart, Mr. Kerr. Quite the opposite.

I don't doubt your credentials. It is your credibility and ability to process cogent discussion that is the issue.

Since you repeat yourself, here, in case you missed it in the other thread:

Mr. Kerr, you also incorrectly conclude that an act of sale of property with apartments on it that were clearly an investment by the property owners to provide housing for residents, as somehow being the same as 'support' for the RPA2 development. That conclusion cannot be drawn from the facts, unless you can cite your sources for such a claim, as you are not among the property owners in question.

Ah, I see Mr. Kerr has been busy making friends and confusing people.

Can you elaborate on how "eminent domain does protect residents?"

Caff,

I just let this one go:

>>>Yes, eminent domain does protect residents, but only the people that actually own the property.<<<

???

Like I said in the other article comments section, the 1960s were hard on some of us.

And can they be attached as a real PDF, and not as a scribd-not-downloadable-nor-viewable-and-printable-on-mobile-devices pretending to be a "PDF".

Suzanne, I've added a PDF of the resolution containing the amended charges against Mayor Adam Paul to this story, I apologize for not getting it up sooner. @Mike K, Unfortunately, no. At the moment, this is the only way the system allows for PDFs to be uploaded/viewed.

Thank you Frank, for attaching the updated resolution and for trying to have "real" PDFs linked.

Thank you!

That's rather rude, Mr. Kerr. No need to be insulting.

I'm simply asking you to elaborate on your statement: "eminent domain does protect residents."

So, you're saying that the use of eminent domain protects the resident who is forced to sell their property because it's a "fair price?"

Compulsory acquisition of private property protects the targeted property owner? Really?

I'm not sure where renters enter into this equation, as I'm not referring to Clarkchester.

I'm trying to understand why you think eminent domain "protects owners."

That's not what you said, Mr. Kerr. You said Eminent Domain "protects the residents". Not property owners. Please explain. On second thought, Pivot Man, don't bother.

Also there is a "just and fair compensation" requirement to the Fifth Amendment exercise of Eminent Domain powers.

Mr. Kerr, Your comments are very rude. Surprised you actually want to show this to all readers and those who know you in the area.

Holly G - You should do your homework. Going back in time, back to the days of Ed O'Reilleys screaming and shouting and nothing ever getting done. Voss and Cahill are the men to help you attain that goal. I would be a whole lot more inclined to listen to either of them if O'Reilley wasn't pulling their strings.

Holly, I would love to discuss the issues with you. I have met with several Ellisville businesses to get their point of view, not only of RPA-1 and RPA-2, but the general relationship they have with the city. I am at every open City Hall meeting. You can also send me an email or call anytime. I am always open to hearing new opinions. I have my candidate profile in the Post Dispatch, West Newsmagazine, and Suburban Journal. My Patch profile will be published this week. You can also visit my website at www.CindyforCityCouncil.com.

Thank you Cindy, I will email my concerns. I had seen your FB page. After more review of your profiles, I do like the emphasis on better communication. It seems that the negativity escalated when a very large group of citizens and businesses felt that they weren't being heard about the TIF and the removal of the mayor...and not that they did not understand. Hopefully they will feel better represented and more positive in the future.

Again, I'm trying to get to why you think eminent domain "protects owners" or "protects residents."

You cite the fifth amendment, and I assume you're referring to the Takings Clause. Now that you have, it's clear you don't understand that the 5th Amendment *LIMITS* the use of eminent domain. The 5th Amendment protects citizens and is a restraint against eminent domain. The 5th is not eminent domain.

Furthermore, the term "just compensation" as used in the clause specifically refers to market value. What, then, of property owners that are forced to sell under eminent domain at a loss? How can it be argued that the use of eminent domain protects those owners? Because eminent domain was intended to be used to convert blighted areas to public use and the fair market of said properties would in all cases be at least at market value.

I would also remind, I'm specifically referring to your repeated misunderstanding of eminent domain. I'm not referring to the use of it in Ellisville, or it's application in Ellisville.

I'm simply trying to understand your apparent ignorance of what it is.

>>>The Wal-Mart will be built on that location, regardless, if we argue until the cows come. <<<

I suspect one or more judges will weigh in on that first. Listen for gavels before jackhammers.

The "Taking Clause" is the final clause in the 5th Amendment:

http://definitions.uslegal.com/t/taking-clause/

Again, adding in straw arguments about renters, Walmart, and it's use or non-use have nothing to do with the topic at hand: you have no idea what eminent domain is.

Where is the new business in ellisville. there is none, Mayor paulie is a classic failure. We need Walmart here and we need it now. Mayor paulie needs to go now while we still have a business base in ellisville to protect.

Ruby's Guns
Dunkin' Donuts
Veritas
WIndow Sills Cafe / Market Place
That craft brewery/restaurant going into Chevy's
I hear a Sports Authority is on the way...

That's just off the top of my head. Anyone else know what else is coming in?

The past four years, actually.

It was called the Great Recession for a reason. Your continued insistence to attribute this to a guy who has been in office for less than a year and is essentially a councilman-at-large shows a basic misunderstanding of how our government works and an ignorance of the economic realities we face.

suzanne, you can get my name and address from Big E. Her "union friends" already paid me one visit and slashed the tires on one of my cars. I have brushed up on Missouri's castle doctrine which allows a homeowner to use force, up to and including deadly force to defend his home, property, or VEHICLE against an intruder without being liable to prosecution. By the way, I am a regular customer at Ruby's guns so perhaps we will bump into each other there.

Any friends and family of non-whites, gays and any other groups you denigrate with your racist and homophobic comments should be on your "suspect" list.

Look around your immediate neighborhood. I still maintain the fence and gate are not to keep others out, but to keep your neighbors in and living near you.

Yes. We all get that you are one dangerous hombre and you have a gun.

Most of us are more afraid that you have car rather than a gun, given your penchant to run over people.

My concern isn't for those that choose to work elsewhere. Its for those that can't afford not to. Especially with those free classes they offer to employees on how to maximize all of the government benefits programs they qualify for.

Walmart has done more to create more 'takers' than any other company in history. And yet you idiot conservatives think they are a shining example of capitalism and 'good' in the world. You haven't thought through the end state of a capitalist society. It is a race to the bottom for the 99% to put the 1% at ever increasing risk of overthrow and class warfare. It won't matter how many guns the 1% will have when they realize the 99% have just as many.

And Mr. Kerr, I am sure you have nothing against slaves either, because you think everyone should own one or three.

Good gawd…Now your’re pretending to teach us economics?

Re: velocity of money.

Here’s a quandary you might want to ponder. Perhaps it will keep you busy for a while.

http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-10/inflation-m2-and-velocity-money

My concern is that our money stay in or near our community for as long as possible and not find its’ way to Bentonville, AK.

Again, we are not your students at SLCC-Wildwood, too young and inexperienced to know a crock when they hear one (and smell it.)

And FYI, there are plenty of publicly and privately traded companies to hold stock in other than Walmart. Some produce/manufacture actual things, have decent employment practices, actually pay a dividend and have experienced significant share price increase...while not contributing to the decline of the American middle class and the rise of the corporate welfare state.

Walmart is in the top 50 of the most widely held stocks in the world. I suspect Big E if she has any investments at all is probably 100% invested in Dunkin Donuts.

@little mike: And Walmart is in the top 1 of companies with more employees (both as a percentage and in number) with part-time status, no health care benefits, and receiving government assistance benefits for the poor (typically called "entitlements" by those opposed to such programs).

I posit that Walmart alone has done more to expand Medicaid, welfare, and "Obama-care" costs across the country than any other factor. And yet you rail against the "takers" (government benefits recipients) and laud the "success" of Walmart.

What will Walmart do to find "qualified" part-time employees if you succeed in scaling back Medicare/Medicaid/Welfare/"Obama-care" since I don't think you will be able to repeal the 13th Amendment for them to find a suitable workforce and maintain their shareholder value?

I don't think her arguments are all of over the lot. But rather your comprehension of basic socratic discussion is what is severely impaired.

Please re-read the part "there are plenty of publicly and privately traded companies to hold stock in other than Walmart. Some produce/manufacture actual things, have decent employment practices, actually pay a dividend and have experienced significant share price increase...while not contributing to the decline of the American middle class and the rise of the corporate welfare state."

Sears and Home Depot both refer a great deal of sub-contractor (installation work) to local businesses (construction) that simply can't be outsourced. The STL are Lee's are owned by EJG Enterprises, (Emmett and Jennifer Gamache) located in Earth City. The Ellisville McD's is owned and operated by an independent franchisee.

You seem to be incapable of comprehending anyone's other than your own incoherent ramblings. The point is not that anyone wishes you not to be able to invest in Walmart. Please don't put forth false attributions to bolster your own fallacious arguments. The point is not any of the other litany of straw men you proffer.

The point is that Walmart, "but for" that $10MM TIF, is not and never will provide any demonstrable benefit to the Ellisville community. Those who think it will are in a tiny minority, and unfortunately for the taxpayers, some of them are on the City Council and the City Attorney stinks of corruption.

For crimeny sakes.

This was the question I answered...>>> Why would you not own Wal-Mart stock?<<<

Because there are better companies to invest in...and as Suzanne notes the company is having major problems and as BIG MIKE notes it teaches people how to apply for public benefits and expects the taxpayer to subsidize Walmart employees' health care to improve the bottom line to the shareholders.

>>>Do you mean that K-Mart's money "stays in the area?" No dear, I am sorry that does not happen....how about Sears in Chesterfield? Home Depot? Lee's Chicken? McDonald's?<<<

In some cases yes, in other no.

But, none of those companies came begging for corporate welfare and asked the taxpayers to finance and subsidize the construction of their stores

>>>My dear, Ms Schmidt,...<<<

My dear, "Professor," I can hardly believe you get paid to teach in a public community college.

"Good for the local economy, good for Ellisville."
Spoken like a true Southerner opining for the days when slavery was "Good for the local economy, good for the South". I think we all know how that turned out, now don't we? Perhaps the local history buff, "Professor" Kerr, and the resident Pivot Man, will speak to that.