The officer also has a duty to maintain order, independent of the source of the request to do so, and to exercise judgement and discretion in acting on such a request.

>>>How much time and money will this bogus complaint waste?<<<

Yes. How much?

I clearly remember Katie James complaining incessantly last year about how much a recall election could cost the city last. She kept quoting all kinds of wild numbers and still never understood that it was the job of the county to give the cost figure to the city, not her job to call on the phone to "ball park" it.

So, has she "ball parked' the cost of this? Time, effort, outside legal counsel and other legal expenses to the city?

What ever it costs, Mayor Paul couldn't buy this kind of good publicity if he tried.

And the bad publicity to the proponents of TIF? Just as the next TIF project goes public with a RFP? Priceless.

This next installment of our soap opera drama is going to focus attention (like a laser beam) yet again on the big giveaway of tax dollars.

Way to go Katie...You Go Girl!

Can you say:

PR Disaster? Debacle? Fiasco? Failure?

Not to mention that you have the biggest, most vocal self-avowed and self-identified racist, homophobic and class-conscious poster in all of Ellisville cheering you on AND cheering on Troy Pieper (running for re-election in Dist. 2) and Matt Pirrello (with delusions of running against Charlie Dooley for County Exec.)

THAT alone would make me want to crawl in a hole and hide.

Worse than when Pirrello tried to sue his neighbors over the recall (and they were promptly dismissed from the case by the judge.)

little mikey k,

Wow. 10k of your very own money?

Impeachment is not by popular vote of the citizens. But, then again you knew that, didn't you?

You false generosity is so very 'touching" --- and in stark contrast to the Mayor's very real generosity.

Drawn into it? The three of you are complicit. You, Katie, and Matt Pirrello have taken it upon yourselves to thwart the Mayor from doing his duty from day one.

I loved this bit of melodrama: http://ballwin-ellisville.patch.com/articles/pavlack-ellisville-s-next-mayor-needs-gov-experience wherein you literally call out Paul. The funny thing is, you probably did more than anyone to get him elected by highlighting his opposition.

I do apologize for referring to you as the third stooge, however. I'll let others make that determination for themselves.

Exact same reason I have not been commenting on these issues. Grand standing, name calling, vulgar language, and insulting others (deserving or not) is far to rampant and seem to be more important than discussing the issue. On that note I do see this request as far fetched, but I was not present at either instance.

As for cost this is part of the boards responsibilities so there should be no further cost. Unless Paul sues James or James sues Paul in civil court (depending on how the commission rules) and the city has to pick up both sides legal fees like they did in the recall case.

"Exact same reason I have not been commenting on these issues"

That, and not being a resident of Ellisville.

" Caffeinated
10:48 am on Wednesday, February 13, 2013
"Exact same reason I have not been commenting on these issues"
That, and not being a resident of Ellisville."

See what I mean! Only took 16 minutes.

Hey man, this is Fight Club.

You want a civil discussion, go talk with the Lutherans. I think they are still behaving themselves and little mikey kkk hasn't "stunk up the joint" over there --- yet.

I'm sorry, was pointing out that you're not even a resident of Ellisville in some way uncivil?

I think it helps to qualify your opinion and thus adds to the discussion.

@ES: Now that is funny as I am Luthren (non practicing as I married a Catholic).
@Caffeinated: I have never stated I lived in Ellisville and do not use an alias making my location difficult (although not impossible) to determine. For all I know you may not be an Ellisville resident or even live in the area. How does that qualify my or your opinions?

You have stated you are a Ballwin resident before on Patch. I take you at your word.

As to whether the opinion of a non-resident on the internal affairs of Ellisville government is pertinent or not should be in the eye of the beholder. I don't personally put much weight into the opinion of non-residents regarding whether Ellisville taxpayers should help foot the bill for private developers. Nor do I value your non-resident opinion on the merits of Katie James' complaint. Others may, and certainly you have the freedom to express your opinion. I also have the freedom to point out you're not even an Ellisville resident.

Again, is that uncivil? I am capable of demonstrating a lack of civility if you'd like an example.

@Caffeinated: " I am capable of demonstrating a lack of civility if you'd like an example."
Why do you feel the need? Is it because you use an alias and feel no need to be respectful of others?

@Ellisville Shopper: You are right, this is fight club and the reason I stopped posting. If many more business leave you may have to change your name to Ex Ellisville Shopper. Gone are Best Buy, Ginghams, Long John Silvers, and now Blockbuster. All businesses I use to visit in Ellisville (Best Buy and Blockbuster the most often).

"Is it because you use an alias and feel no need to be respectful of others? "

The offer stands because you don't seem to understand what the word "civility" means as you've repeatedly misapplied it to me. Yet again, how have I acted uncivil to you?

"The offer stands because you don't seem to understand what the word "civility" means as you've repeatedly misapplied it to me. Yet again, how have I acted uncivil to you?"

I don't recall every saying you were uncivil with me or anyone else for that matter. Although referring to Charles Pavlack as a "stooge" could be considered name calling and therefor uncivil. Can you point out where I have "repeatedly misapplied" it to you so I can apologize?

"Exact same reason I have not been commenting on these issues. Grand standing, name calling, vulgar language, and insulting others (deserving or not) is far to rampant and seem to be more important than discussing the issue."

followed by quoting me and adding the following:

"See what I mean! Only took 16 minutes."

I was awfully mean to Chuck, though. I did apologize for referring to him as the third stooge. Are you going to be OK, Michael? Should I apologize to you, too?

Michael Rhodes,

I know the economy is still wretched and businesses that serve consumers directly are on the ropes because wage haven't kept pace with FED money printing. Having a TIF funded Big Chinese Vending Machine in Ellisville won't solve this. It will just put more businesses out of business. Coughing-up another TIF for a developer to bring in a bunch of franchise operations is not the answer either.

If they come on their own dime, it's a different story.

I'm changing my spending habits and shopping on line or out of the area if this is all the current regime can do with my sales tax money is give it away, wreck property values for adjacent homeowners and make their existence miserable. I live too close to one of the major arteries to think it won't happen to my area once the TIF train starts rolling and picks up steam. Even if it doesn't happen to my neighborhood, it will make traffic and congestion a nightmare.

I may become an Ex Ellisville Shopper for other reasons. Ain't gonna spend my dime in "Sansoneville."

I do not recall saying it was uncivil and that was not my intent. I do apologize that you Interpreted my response as you were being uncivil to me.

Why do you feel the need to apologize to me? I do not believe one is needed. Thank you for asking though.

"Why do you feel the need to apologize to me? I do not believe one is needed. Thank you for asking though."

See? I can even be gracious. You're welcome.

@ES: Guess I should be gald that I am still a brick and morter shopper. Even when I shop online it has been with store pickup so I still pay the tax in (or near) my community. I am on the other side of the Walmart issue (you can read my many other posts for more about that) and I do respect your right to shop elswhere if/when it is built. It has been said before that you can and should vote with your dollars. I do not see the doom and glow of the Walmart/TIF nor do I see all roses either. Let's hope they don't decided to expand MetroLink again and actually run it though your (or/and my) back yard! hard to stop those trains once they get going.

I'd rather have a MetroLink train running near by my backyard than a Walmart with the 24/7 lights, late night and early morning delivery noise, undesirables prowling the parking lot, petty crime, trash, rats from the dumpsters, ETC

An actual train would ease congestion on Manchester-Clarkson-Clayton, take cars off the road, not put more on the road and give us cleaner air.

>>"I did "call out" the candidate. Last I checked, I'm entitled to my opinion"

As I am entitled to mine.

>>" In fact, he and I have had a number of productive -- if short -- conversations following meetings. He's even adopted a few of my suggestions"

I'm sure Mayor Paul takes great solace in your support. Nonetheless, this: http://ballwin-ellisville.patch.com/articles/pavlack-ellisville-s-next-mayor-needs-gov-experience

>>"But I have been very careful to try NOT to air those feelings since the election. In fact, in private conversations, I have urged people to work with him."

I don't know you personally, nor do I know Mayor Paul. I voted for Michelle Murray. However, the melodrama surrounding the TIF involves three people: You, Katie James, and Matt Pirrello. Whether writing diatribes, suing neighbors, or filing complaints (and having tantrums) the three of you are at the center of the maelstrom.

little mikey kkk,

Again with the delusion that an up or down vote on impeachment is somehow going to the electorate?

Perhaps you should click on the pdf link above and read the procedure outlined in the city code section provided. It's all right there in black and white. It also includes Katie James' whiney complaint.

For someone who worked at Mallinkrodt for 30 years and managed "$50 million business," you sure don't bother to do your homework even when it's right in front of you, now do you?

Take your 10K or 50K and donate it to a worthy cause. I'm sure there is a non-profit that fosters racial understanding, supports gay rights or helps the impoverished that you can get behind.

Is there anyone or any group you don't despise? Crippled children? The blind?

Sweetheart I hardly think you have that kind of money to spend impeaching a mayor, and if you do, and spend it on something such as this than your judgement should be taken into account. Really the bottom line is that you really want to shop for $5 jeans closer to home and you just don't like that he has a different view. This also supports an argument that you do not have that kind of money to just be throwing it around. the rich don't stay, or become rich by wasting money.Maybe rather than stamping your feet and crying, put your imaginary money into a charity and make the world a better place rather than frivolously spending it to support frivolous accusations which claim to prove that mayor Paul should be impeached. Everything you write is annoying. Get over yourself. The citizens of ellisville elected him and if you had a problem with it you should have spent money at the time of the election, supporting the opposition

I not really suprised you think I want a Walmart in Ellisville because of low prices. I have made my money and lots of it so I shop at Dierbergs, Neiman Marcus, Nordstrum, etc. for my needs. As a local resident since 1982, I care deeply about Ellisville and the deteriorating state of our local community. Do you realize that once Famous Brand Shoes departs, we will have virtually no viable business at all at the southeast or southwest corners of Manchester and Clarkson Roads. We have become the East St. Louis of West County and our boy Mayor has zero ideas or plans to reverse this trend. We need Walmart to turn this city around, end of story. As far as my personal financial situation, it is none of your business as to how I elect to spend my money. Fortunately that is one of the few rights our government has yet to take away from us.

Tell it, Amy!

Pass the buck, the great American pasttime. The Mayor heads the city. He is responsible for the direction of the city and has done a miserable job. What is his proposal for development of the Manchester/Clarkson eyesore? He has none because he is way over his head. He has no business experience, has no clue how to interact with potential business leaders and frankly does not appear to have any interest in doing so. We need to rid ourselves of this amateur and get some real leadership for Ellisville.

@Charles Pavlack: "It would take a miracle"! ;-)

You say this from first-hand experience.

actually mybusiness career specialized in pain managment and from the tone of your comments I would recommend you consider a large dose of acetaminophen/hydrocodone.

little mikey kkk,

Speaking of pain ---

How's that race car? What about that track incident? Is that guy OK? Did you give him some pain meds?

"He is although banned from future SCCA events."

That's a lie. You're a laughingstock in the club, and certainly have no business behind the wheel. The only reason you're not asked to leave is it would break the charter of the club. Nothing worse than a dilletante with too much horsepower and too little skill.

Oh, and I can look up little mikey's "racing career" if anyone's interested. He's slow.

LOL... you and Osborn were the only ones to show up for every event and your average times are less than the the A stock, B stock, *and* C stock.

You're slow, dude. Luckily for you, the "championship" is more an attendance prize and the only other guy who showed us much as you was Osborn (who's even slower).

As for you plowing into a trackworker, didn't you settle out of court? And I think the SCCA board will be surprised at your claims that he's been "banned." Everyone would love to get rid of you, though, big-mouth.

...and also: so everyone knows: it's autocrossing, not "racing." He's not "racing" anyone. You drive on a closed course as fast as you can (without hitting cones or volunteer workers).

Mike Kelly (aka little mike) is so skilled that he went off-course and hit a volunteer worker resulting in a lawsuit.

" I have a nice spot on the ass end of my corvette where your picture would fit perfectly."

Still trying to get other men to pay attention to your ass end, little mikey? Stop torturing yourself and come on out of that closet... :)