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Ellisville City Council Adds Article 9, Recall Process to Agenda

The Council will decide Aug. 15 if changes should be made to the language involving the recall of council members.

The Ellisville City Council will determine Wednesday if an amendment should be made to Article 9, a city charter element involving the process of a recall of council members.

In recent sparrings regarding the potential Walmart development, a volunteer citizen group deemed Article 9 Alliance has been : according to the city charter, an official cannot be recalled within the first 120 days in office, nor within 180 days from his or her next election.

The agenda item, which was added late in the business day Tuesday, reads:

Bill #3282: An ordinance referring to the electorate of the City of Ellisville the question of whether Article IX of the Ellisville City Charter should be amended to require the recall of elected officials only for specified cause, and calling an election on the question as presented herein for the November 6, 2012 election. 

"The urgency now is to get it on the November 6 ballot," Ellisville Mayor Adam Paul told Patch. "It is a concern to me regarding the urgency because of factors like cost to add that to the ballot...Any time you amend legislation it should be examined thoroughly."

The Council also added a special meeting for Aug. 16 regarding the legislation. Liz Schmidt, chair of the Article 9 Alliance, released an alert email encouraging members to attend the meeting.

"These proposed changes to the City Charter will make it more difficult (and nearly impossible) for voters to Recall elected during their term of office," the statement issued by Schmidt said.

Updated: Aug. 15 at 10:43 a.m.

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Ellisville Resident Dist. One August 15, 2012 at 04:22 PM
More last minute changes to agendas and spur of the moment meetings. WOW. So disappointed in Ellisville City Hall. I'm sure this is another one of former Matt Pirello's big ideas to outsmart the system. And he's the one we count on to abide by the system. Wow, wow, WOW!!! No wonder his reputation is so bad.
Charles Pavlack August 15, 2012 at 04:52 PM
It SHOULD be "extremely difficult (and nearly impossible) for voters to Recall elected [officials] during their term of office." As Sean Anglin pointed out in a Public Comment at a Council meeting, elected officials should be casting their votes based on what is right for the City of Ellisville, rather than based on whether or not their vote might make someone mad enough to initiate recall proceedings. The preferred method of removing an elected official from office -- in the absence of gross misconduct (see "Valley Park, Mayor of") or malfeasance -- should always be to vote for someone else in the next election.
isthisamerica? August 15, 2012 at 05:13 PM
So let me get this straight. There is a group of residents who want to hold their city government accountable and then the council gets word of a recall and says (hey you can’t do that). Awesome! It’s like them saying “hey we will do whatever we want!” Shame! Shame! Shame! Stand up and let your voice be heard. Call your council person now while you still have a voice. DISTRICT 1 ---------------- * Matt Pirrello Council Member 1045 LeMar Dr. 314-608-8586 Term Expires April 2015 Email Address: mattpirrello@gmail.com *Dawn Anglin Council Member 1219 Marsh Ave. 636-230-6916 Term Expires April 2013 DISTRICT 2 ----------------- * Linda Reel Council Member 1239 Polo Lake Dr. 636-386-3983 Term Expires April 2015 * Troy Pieper Council Member 734 Ridgewoods Manor Dr. 636-256-7819 Term Expires April 2013 DISTRICT 3 ----------------- * Roze Acup Council Member 98 Weis Ave. 636-675-1887 Term Expires April 2015 * Michelle Murray Council Member 1419 Virginia Dr. 636-227-7015 Term Expires April 2013
Charles Pavlack August 15, 2012 at 06:13 PM
IsThisAmerica: Yes, it is America. If an elected official casts a vote that you don't like, you don't kick them out of office. You vote for the other guy the next time. You know what? I'm not wild about the time frame they're suggesting. it seems, just as you indicate, that it's a rushed response. I'm not clear from the Mayor's comment whether he's for the proposal or against; my guess is he's against. But I'll be at the meetings tonight and tomorrow to find out what's going on and then, armed with all of the facts (and not just what's reported on the Patch and in a quote from an A9A email alert), I'll make my decision.
Bryanna Hampton August 15, 2012 at 06:20 PM
Thanks for your comment, Charles. I agree -- hopefully these articles encourage citizens to attend the meetings themselves. Patch can provide reports, and will continue to post community feedback as well as council news, but there's plenty more out there. I'll be at the meetings also!
E. Schmidt August 15, 2012 at 06:27 PM
Fall 2010--75% of attendees at a Town Hall meeting indicate they do not want a Walmart in Ellisville. Spring 2011--64% of Ellisville voters approve a .05 sales tax increase to prevent the need for a Walmart. Spring 2012, anti-TIF mayoral candidates receive 72% of the vote. Summer 2012, in a door to door opinion poll of ALL Residents in District 2, most affected by the Walmart. 71% OPPOSE the Walmart TIF, proving that it is not the vocal minority who are against this project. [ Preliminary results from Dist.3 are yielding the near same results. ] Now, the same City Council that has patently ignored the wish of the voters, wants those very same voters to approve recall restriction changes to the City Charter that will make it more difficult for those voters to recall the City Council and hold them accountable for their bad political decisions??? Ironic , isn’t it??? Pathetic and laughable as well.
Ellisville Resident Dist. One August 15, 2012 at 08:07 PM
Our city council is a mockery. A complete joke. Who do these people think they are? Federal law does not allow Congress to raise its own salary until the next term. For any governing body or official to change the rules for their current term must really think they are something. FDR tried to change the makeup of the Supreme court, allowing him to appoint more judges, while President. The reaction was a complete rejection of his idea, even by Democrats. There are multiple other examples. Increasing your own pay or changing the rules to your benefit while in office is generally illegal and always frowned upon. They ARE the mockery. Sad but true.
mike k August 15, 2012 at 10:23 PM
I live in District 2 as well as 28 other Residences in our gated community and none were contacted as to their opinion regarding the Walmart TIF. I won't resort to calling you a liar, just that your opinion poll was flawed.
E. Schmidt August 15, 2012 at 10:30 PM
>>>I live in District 2 as well as 28 other Residences in our gated community...<<< Gated Community is the problem. We couldn't access two gated communities during the evening hours when it was cool enough to do door-to-door in the 100+ degree heat. We also missed some streets on the southern most end of Dist. 2 where the homes are many acres apart. We knocked 94% of all doors...and you call that flawed??? No one has ever expended this kind of effort. Try again.
mike k August 16, 2012 at 02:30 AM
>>Summer 2012, in a door to door opinion poll of ALL Residents in District 2, blah blah blah<< So now when confronted with the truth, you admit it wasn't 100% of all residents as you previously claimed, gee what a suprise Why should we believe anything you have to say on this subject, let alone some bogus poll you claim you conducted? I'm sure you did not influence the responses at all, right. Next thing we'll find out the unbiased poll choices were: a - I hate Walmart b - I hate TIF's c - I don't care, put down whatever you want d - You're interrupting dinner, go away before I release the hounds
E. Schmidt August 16, 2012 at 11:29 AM
In our press release we clearly stated we knocked on 94% of the 1165 doors. The ALL refereed to voters and non-voters alike to prove that it wasn't the only the voters (who voted nearly 3 to 1 for an anti-TIF candidate) or the mythical vocal minority who are against this project, but a majority of ALL residents. You want to split hairs and play math games. It won't change the reality that the level of opposition is clearly over 70+% depending on the metric used. The only vocal minority here is the City Council which keeps saying "Yes" to corporate welfare at the expense of the Ellisville taxpayer. We'll be more than happy to read your separate door-to-door opinion survey results and the press release once completed. I'd also like to view the spread sheets. Yes, we did spread sheets and gave them to the press to verify the results. One reported was truly surprised at the level of detail when I handed them over. I look forward to your opposing opinion survey...and the spread sheets...don't forget the spread sheets.
Jefestl August 16, 2012 at 02:35 PM
For what it is worth, I live in District 2 off of Pierside and didn't get to voice my opinion on the development. Maybe knocking on 94% of the doors is different from getting a response from 94% of the doors. I definitely acknowledge that catching that many people at home would be difficult. However, I would offer that I do feel that if the majority of Ellisville residents really opposed the development you would have several hundred residents at every meeting voicing opposition. As for me, I can see the benefits and the draw backs to the development and will trust our elected officials to make the right call on this one b/c they have much more knowledge on the matter than I do and making these decisions is what we elected them to do.
E. Schmidt August 16, 2012 at 06:16 PM
>>>Maybe knocking on 94% of the doors is different from getting a response from 94% of the doors.<<< Yes it is. We talked with people at slightly over 50% the doors we knocked. When we hit a neighborhood that had a high number of "no answers," we went back again to door knock the area on a different day of the week or time of day. Some people were just not home? Some people don't answer their door? Some people didn't want the AC leaking out their front door? No way to tell...
mike k August 16, 2012 at 06:59 PM
Figures don't lie, but liars do figure.
Tired August 16, 2012 at 09:07 PM
The BIG E, & her BIG EASIES, can't even fill a small chamber to capacity with exclusively opponents to this project, but yet claim to speak for the majority...Then they become angry when referred to as liars...Can't make this stuff up...Hey E, did u hear?...WALMART IS COMING.
Ethos August 17, 2012 at 12:32 AM
Yes because if they don't agree with you then they should be moderated.
Bryanna Hampton August 17, 2012 at 01:06 AM
Though I'm detecting sarcasm, just as a refresher if anyone is interested, here's a link to our Terms of Use: http://ballwin-ellisville.patch.com/terms Thanks for your responses.
E. Schmidt August 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM
mike k, Thanks for complaining that your gated community?-- one of which is locked all the time and the other not accessible during the evening--wasn't door-knocked by our volunteers. Aside from providing comment section readers with a much enjoyable "irony factor," your complaint led to many others who we missed in Dist. 2 door-to-door opinion survey to contact me and have their opinions recorded. We will have a revised data set for the next city council meeting. It will have an note that the revised numbers came in outside of the normal shoe leather effort.
mike k August 17, 2012 at 02:19 PM
I'm glad to be of help. By the way, we do not allow solicitors of any kind for any purpose in our community so if we see you or your minions in our community, we will call the police and have you arrested.
E. Schmidt August 17, 2012 at 03:05 PM
mike k, Perhaps you might want to check the legal definition of what constitutes solicitation under the Missouri Revised Statutes before you call the Ellisville police and waste their time with a false arrest and put them and yourself at risk for bad press and a civil rights law suit. Glad to be of help as well.
mike k August 17, 2012 at 07:24 PM
Bring it on and we'll find out, won't we.

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