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Ellisville Walmart Conditional Use Permit Approved

The decision on the Walmart's final plat was postponed for a special meeting Friday.

The Ellisville City Council approved a for a Walmart development on Manchester near the Kiefer Creek intersection.

The second reading for the conditional use ordinance took place at the council meeting Sept. 5 after following the first reading at the August meeting.

Additional traffic studies and safety measures were included in an amended bill that passed by the council 5 to 2, with Mayor Adam Paul and Councilmember Linda Reel the opposed.

Councilmember Dawn Anglin said she received three phone calls in the past week opposed to the Walmart TIF project, but seven combined emails and calls in favor of it in the same time frame.

Paul added the decision was cut and dry for him, considering the "public clearly opposes" the project. Paul initially objected to the second reading of the permit with traffic measure amendments, arguing not enough time was allotted for consideration of the changes according to the Ellisville City Charter.

City Attorney Paul Martin disagreed, adding "the enormity of the ordinance with a minor change in comparison" was still compliable with the charter.

"I'll go to sleep no matter what decision you make," Paul said to the council prior to voting on the permit. "These are big decisions ... they dictate where the city goes as we move forward."

Reel requested more information regarding traffic concerns before the vote, specifically of likely increased traffic and U-turn accommodations. of Crawford Bunte Brammeier assured a before and after study would take place and that measures would be taken to "mitigate (traffic) if it does become a problem."

With council chambers full of residents and business owners continuing and mixed-in support for the Walmart, the first reading on the project's final plat was approved but the second postponed for a special council meeting arranged for Friday at 5:30 p.m.

A preventing redevelopment on the lot adjacent to the Walmart project is also up for second reading at the meeting Friday.

"I feel like more time is needed to digest this," Paul said when asked why he objected to second readings of the legislation.

Martin said he did not view the temporary moratorium as an "emergency" situation and that it could be postponed for a short amount of time.

Leroy Brown September 06, 2012 at 03:31 PM
Citizens of Ellisville: We feel your pain. Citizens of Ballwin
E. Schmidt September 06, 2012 at 03:47 PM
Thank you Citizens of Ballwin. It may be short lived. We shall see. I will never shop at the Schnuck's on Clarkson
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Caffeinated September 06, 2012 at 05:00 PM
Oh, the irony.
Tired September 06, 2012 at 06:17 PM
Finally...News that the future Schnuck's staff, management, & patrons can welcome...I'll be shopping at Schnuck's & Walmart constantly, comfortable in the fact, that I won't be bumping into THE BIG E & her band of brethren from the A9A...I'm hoping, that the kid mayor, used his opportunity to hold his breath & jump up and down in the corner, like a little punk, for the final time...Friday, this deal can be resolved, and progress toward a more financially stable community can actually begin...Thinking Friday could be referred to as "E DAY", as opposed to "D DAY"...Just sayin.
K James September 06, 2012 at 06:46 PM
Last night FINISHED this mess..Friday is merely a proceedural vote. The deal is done.
E. Schmidt September 06, 2012 at 06:47 PM
>>>...I'm hoping, that the kid mayor, used his opportunity to hold his breath & jump up and down in the corner, like a little punk, for the final time...<<< Well, so much for cleaning up the neighborhood. Thanks for trying.
K James September 06, 2012 at 07:10 PM
Aw Liz, For a woman who doesn't vote in this city, you are sure judgemental. Especially those classy flyers that you manufactured and sent out. Did more to get people tired of your tirades to come out and get involved last night.
Mike K September 07, 2012 at 04:30 AM
I don't think the combined spending of Tired, K James, Matt Perrillo the council and zoning board and rest of the holy trollers here are going to make Walmart profitable. Where was the planning and concern for the future of our city when they put all of their eggs into the car dealership 'strip'? I can't fall down without landing on a car lot it seems. Or an empty one. That's what seems to me is what got us here in the first place.
E. Schmidt September 07, 2012 at 12:21 PM
And the irony is...wait for it...that the two small car dealership properties immediately east of Clarkchester Apts. which are included in the Walmart TIF are now owned by Kelly and Sons (of Royal Gate Dodge?) My understanding is that they wanted to open a car dealership there. All they could get was a temporary use permit for the property to repair hail damaged cars. So, we could have had an operating car dealership on those properties NOW.
K James September 07, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Liz, your facts are so wrong. Take your time and ask Ada Hood about this before you go spouting your half truths.
E. Schmidt September 07, 2012 at 12:46 PM
And Mike K, For all the histrionics of those who are wringing their hands if the proposed Walmart doesn't go in and yet demand a " solution" to a problem that doesn't exist... The apartments stay standing, the owners collect the rent (which mostly stays in the community since most are local owners) pay their real estate taxes and the people who live in the apartments live their lives and spend their money in Ellisville as before. The majority of the money is NOT siphoned off to billionaires in Arkansas Three small businesses operate as before....and the majority of the money stays local and is NOT siphoned off to billionaires in Arkansas. A new business opens on the two small car dealership properties which was purchased by Kelly and Sons and was vacant before due to foreclosure proceedings...not due to any lack of planning or meddling on the part of the City of Ellisville which had no control over the foreclosure issue or the many transfers of the properties through bank mergers and consolidations...and the majority of the money stays local because the owners are local. The property values of the surrounding homeowners does not decline. They don't bother to challenge their assessments since the do not have a big box behemoth our their backyards and that real estate tax pays to support the community. Seems like their "solution" to the problem that doesn't exist is to simply transfer local money through a Walmart TIF and send it to Arkansas.
Tired September 07, 2012 at 02:04 PM
HAPPY E-DAY...............
E. Schmidt September 07, 2012 at 03:51 PM
Let me give you some figures from my Wednesday night so-called "tirade." Feel free as a former member of the TIF Commission to refute them with hard numbers of your own from the official, legal documents related to this Walmart TIF. Per the TIF Commission Cost Benefit Analysis (p. 13 of the on-line pdf): The present value of the payments to Ellisville over the 23 yr. life of the TIF is only $4,914,401. This divides out to be $213,669 per year. Those presenting this report said they DID NOT FACTOR in the LOSS of sales tax revenue taken from sales lost to other businesses in Ellisville by Walmart or the long term LOSS of sales tax revenue from businesses shuttered by Walmart. To be generous, let's estimate that Ellisville will receive 75% of that $213,669 per year in sales tax revenue which only amounts to $160,00 per yr. That $160,000 represents a mere 1.5% of the projected 2012 budget...a mere pittance for all the rancor this TIF project has caused. Now factor in the additional police and court costs and other community services Ellisville must supply to Walmart as evidenced by the experiences of other communities. Now factor in the LOSS of sales tax revenue by 200-250 forced to leave town. That big $160,000 seems to erodes rather quickly doesn't it?...but we will never know since there has never been a full, independent economic impact study done on this project.
E. Schmidt September 07, 2012 at 03:56 PM
And I have never seen a schedule or spreadsheet supporting the claimed projected $600,000 per year in revenue to the city. It is not supported or documented in any of the official, legal documents available to the public. It only appears as a stand alone number as best that I can determine. Does the City Council want to be on the hook for THAT number and accountable to the public and press?
E. Schmidt September 07, 2012 at 05:28 PM
And since the City of Ellisville hasn't bothered to do a full economic impact study on this project perhaps they might look at this document and note the chart on p. 2 which indicates that Big Box retail returns a (net loss) to a municipality of ($468) per 1,000 sq. ft. http://www.ilsr.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/bbtk-factsheet-publiccosts.pdf We'd clearly be better off with an office complex, business park or specialty retail than a Walmart...on land that wouldn't wreck existing businesses and residential units.
mike k September 07, 2012 at 06:24 PM
Research shows TIF's have been used 38 times to support construction of Walmart Stores. If the TIF was such a bad idea, I doubt if this communities would have been used this tactic time and time again. Also the Ellisville TIF has a 23 year life, but history has shown Walmart TIF's are paid off at a rate about half the life of the TIF, meaning the $600K benefit to Ellisville annually is not that far off. Viva le Ellisville.
Caffeinated September 07, 2012 at 06:36 PM
~history has shown Walmart TIF's are paid off at a rate about half the life of the TIF~ Citations, please. Still carrying a torch for your boy Pirrello?
E. Schmidt September 07, 2012 at 06:53 PM
>>>Walmart TIF's are paid off at a rate about half the life of the TIF<<< Which will be just about the time Walmart pulls out of Ellisville leaving a vacant store. Without a decommissioning/demolition bond in place to fund enforcement the required tear-down if the store remains vacant for 1 year plus the agreement negotiated by this City Council means nothing. As Bushyhead indicated, a future Ellisville City Council will have to sue to get the building down. That could take years. I wonder if THAT cost got factored in???
Stacey Obrien September 09, 2012 at 12:35 PM
I just wish certain people would just understand that Walmart is coming to Ellisville, and there is nothing they can do about it. The city has decided to bring this big box store to Ellisville, and if it wasn't Walmart, it would be another big store. I live in Clarkchester apartments, and do have to move, but life goes on, and sometimes people just have to stop fighting, and except the fact that you can't always change things. Just remember things happen for a reason, change is good, and life is too short. Just move on.
E. Schmidt September 10, 2012 at 12:14 PM
Stacey, >>>...except the fact that you can't always change things...<<< Many people inside and outside of Clarkchester will simply not accept injustice, government over-reach, "legalized extortion" and abuse of taxpayer dollars. Wish away all you want...They will continue their efforts. You are not required to engage. We are required because our morals, ethics and conscience dictates that we do.

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