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Ellisville Walmart Plat and Moratorium Up for Special Meeting

Ellisville's City Council will hold a special meeting for expected final passings of legislation Friday.

The final plat for Sansone Group's pending Walmart and a temporary moratorium that would halt redevelopment on a neighboring lot are on a special meeting agenda for the Ellisville City Council Sept. 7.

Both items went through first reading "in title only" during , but were objected to second reading by Mayor Adam Paul. Paul said he felt more time was needed to digest the proposed legislation.

Councilmember Troy Pieper requested the special meeting to move forward with the ordinances before waiting for the next council meeting Sept. 19. The Walmart's conditional use permit passed Wednesday, with the final plat as one of the recent remaining ordinances requiring approval for the project.

The meeting will take place Sept. 7 at 5:30 p.m. at City Hall.

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Adam Quincy Paul September 07, 2012 at 05:22 PM
Tired, You seem to be a very experienced in politics and have a lot of political wisdom to share. I wonder who the face is behind the avatar 'Tired'. Thank you for your input and opinion.
Tired September 07, 2012 at 06:39 PM
No problem little fella...
E. Schmidt September 07, 2012 at 08:48 PM
Yes. 71% Opposed. With the "Undecideds" removed, the Opposed rate skyrockets to 80%.
E. Schmidt September 07, 2012 at 09:07 PM
I thought it was interesting that Pieper was so desperate that he wanted to post a public notice for a special city council meeting at 9:00 PM at night outside of normal City Hall business hours, ignoring public notice rules with the City Clerk absent from the meeting. The City of Ellisville's new motto-- "We do the bare minimum to keep you in the dark and the city out of court. Transparency is not our concern" needs to be changed to: "We don't even bother with the bare minimum any longer...just sue us. We don't need no stinkin' Sunshine Laws to run this city."
E. Schmidt September 07, 2012 at 09:23 PM
Like an adult, he uses his real name as do I ... unlike cowards who hide behind internet monikers and snipe from the dark. Grow up, stand up and be a real man...or woman...as the case may be.
mike k September 08, 2012 at 02:09 AM
Mayor Paul, since the Walmart issue has finally been settled, this is your opportunity to show some maturity, mend some fences and lead this community. Specifically as Ellisville residents and voters, we want to know what you are doing to replace Gormans and Best Buy plus a number of smaller vacant properties in Ellisville. All we have seen from you thus far is an obstructionist management style. It is time for you do something positive for this community because you are the mayor, after all.
Caffeinated September 08, 2012 at 03:25 AM
"we want to know what you are doing to replace Gormans and Best Buy plus a number of smaller vacant properties in Ellisville." I think by "we" he means mike k, Ethos, and Tired.
Jimmy C September 08, 2012 at 03:35 AM
Hey mike k and Tired- I remember Paul running an anti-walmart and TIF campaign. He won by a ton on that one issue alone. What you should be saying is thank you for not switching your promise like Pirrello did for years and thank you for fighting the project to the end. mike k, anyone who reads your comments thinks you are an _____. You talk about racing your SS on the weekend again and the next mayor election Paul vs. Pirrello three years from now. Paul would crush Sansones golden boy Perrello off honesty and integrity alone. Just drive by Pirellos house, he has ten trucks, two boats, and crap all over. He has been married around 5 times and doesn't own property in Ellisville. He lives at his girlfriends house. His neighbors think he is a sociopath. You idolize him. Birds of a feather. Reel and Paul are the only good ones on the board. Peeper and Perrello are bought and paid for, the others are just slow or dont give a crap.
Jimmy C September 08, 2012 at 03:37 AM
He told me sports athority was going in at gordmans.
Caffeinated September 08, 2012 at 04:53 AM
Wait a minute... after months of mike k bleeting about how the Clarkchester residents aren't "property owners," his boy PIRRELLO DOESN'T EVEN OWN PROPERTY IN ELLISVILLE?! This would be hilarious if it wasn't so ludicrous. What ya say, Tired/mike k/Ethos - Should we give Pirrello a couple thousand dollars to move away?
E. Schmidt September 08, 2012 at 12:31 PM
>>...Mayor Paul, since the Walmart issue has finally been settled...<<< It ain't over, till it's over... Many more steps in the process.... Anything can happen and probably will...
E. Schmidt September 08, 2012 at 12:38 PM
There are a couple of vacancies at Clarkchester if someone get's their walking papers. The lady's apartment [ the one who beat breast cancer, but couldn't beat the fear of becoming homeless ] is available...but he wouldn't get the 2k to move since he would be moving in late in the game.
E. Schmidt September 08, 2012 at 12:39 PM
Caffeinated, Ironic, ain't it?
E. Schmidt September 08, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Jimmy C, >>>I remember Paul running an anti-walmart and TIF campaign. He won by a ton on that one issue alone. What you should be saying is thank you for not switching your promise like Pirrello did for years and thank you for fighting the project to the end.<<< There were always a large number of people who didn't trust Michelle Murray to continue to vote "No" on the TIF project. They told me she was dirty on the issue. I tend to take people at their word, so I was truly surprised when she flipped her vote and began voting "Yes." They were right all along. It was that mistrust of Murray ( I think the kiss of death for here was when Pirrello put one of her signs in his girlfriend's yard) and Paul's strident tone and willingness to fight for the voters that got him elected and will net him a second term if he wants it.
Mike K September 08, 2012 at 01:05 PM
Mayor Paul, I understand your explanation of the events. What I don't understand is why is there something called a 'vote' when 'a yes is required'? If a yes is required then that isn't a vote at all and it means that the zoning board has the power not the council no? And then we are told that if the proposal complies with city ordinances, the zoning board must approve the plan. So once more they don't have any say in the matter either. So who does? And if the zoning board has to approve it and the council has to vote yes, that doesn't sound to me like a very effective government. And why are dioxin studies being done only now? Like there was no probability of any dangerous chemical spills from three car dealership repair shops on the property and used cars parked 24/7 all over the property leaking who knows what into the ground through all the cracks in the asphalt.
E. Schmidt September 08, 2012 at 01:39 PM
>>>What I don't understand is why is there something called a 'vote' when 'a yes is required'? If a yes is required then that isn't a vote at all and it means that the zoning board has the power not the council no? And then we are told that if the proposal complies with city ordinances, the zoning board must approve the plan.<<< I think that is the way it has been going for quite a while....and that is what some of the professional staff would like the P&Z members and the City Council to believe. Dan Duffy who sits on P&Z attempted to clarify this at one of the P&Z meetings. There is NO requirement that anyone on P&Z vote yes to anything...even if the developer or builder addresses the code issues through mitigation or whatever... There is NO requirement that the City Council accept the recommendation of the P&Z Commission. When property owners within 185 ft. of a project sign a formal protest petition (as they did with the Walmart) objecting to a positive recommendation by P&Z, the City Council must have a super-major of "Yeas" to accept the P&Z's positive recommendation. The P&Z and CC mostly seem to go along to get along and are herded by the professional staff in the direction the staff wants...kind of like sheep. There isn't much critical thinking going on. Mike K, perhaps you should let Mayor Paul know you are interested in sitting on the P&Z.
E. Schmidt September 08, 2012 at 03:14 PM
I find it odd that lower clas...er, uh, lower case mike k thinks it is the "job" of the Mayor to replace retailers or businesses who relocate. It is the job of the commercial broker hired by the property owner to find new tenants. That is how commercial brokers make their living. All a Mayor can do is his or her best to let others know that there is existing, vacant commercial space available. mike k seems to be looking for solutions to problems that don't exist and placing responsibility where it doesn't belong.
mike k September 08, 2012 at 03:24 PM
You really believe the lie that Councilman Pirrello is not an Ellisville property owner. Proof it but you can't, can you?
mike k September 08, 2012 at 03:33 PM
If you had been to the Wedsday meeting, you would have heard the Sansome representative say that samples had been taken and were tested for all known carcinogens (you can look that word up in a dictionary if you don't know what it means) and the samples came back negative. That includes dioxin. They are also going to take additional samples and run the tests again as a double check, something you would expect a good corporate citizen like Walmart to do.
E. Schmidt September 08, 2012 at 03:40 PM
Lower clas...er, uh lower case mike k, You are the one with the 147 IQ correct?...and a Chess player? I'm surprised you didn't put that big number to work and just look here-- http://revenue.stlouisco.com/ias/ Let us know what you find...or don't find as the case may be. For someone who has a big brain and plays Chess, you didn't do a very good job defending your King, now did you?
mike k September 08, 2012 at 03:40 PM
The only thing that is a sure thing is that you will be leaving Ellisville. Don't let the door hit you in the ____ on the way out.
E. Schmidt September 08, 2012 at 03:56 PM
>>> Don't let the door hit you in the ____ on the way out." <<< From the man? [ I believe it was you? ] who stood up in the City Council chambers Wednesday night and whined that people were being mean to him on the Patch? As though THAT was a proper use of the CC's time or that anyone other than you cared? I know it is hard for you to hide who you really are. [ If I have the wrong person, I am truly sorry in more ways than you can imagine. That was one pathetic display. ]
mike k September 08, 2012 at 04:31 PM
That proves nothing, I couldn't find you, oh that's right you're not a property owner either. LOL
mike k September 08, 2012 at 04:34 PM
That was me, all right. At least I have enough sense to know when I have had enough to eat, if you know what I mean and I'm sure you do. You would fit right in with those Walmart people you like to make fun of.
E. Schmidt September 08, 2012 at 05:37 PM
mike k, You wrote--- >>>You really believe the lie that Councilman Pirrello is not an Ellisville property owner.<<< AND >>>I couldn't find you, oh that's right you're not a property owner either. Believe the lie that he doesn't own property in Ellisville??? You just proved that neither Pirrello nor I own property in Ellisville...You do understand that don't you?...at an IQ of 147?
E. Schmidt September 08, 2012 at 05:39 PM
As i said, I know it's hard for you to hide who you really are. At least you've given up trying.
mike k September 08, 2012 at 10:25 PM
I have never tried to hide who I was. It's not my fault you couldn't figure it out.
E. Schmidt September 08, 2012 at 11:27 PM
lower case mike k, >>>At least I have enough sense to know when I have had enough to eat, if you know what I mean and I'm sure you do.<<< Perhaps you didn't notice that group of Walmart proponents you sat with Wednesday night were also tipping the scales a bit. Here's the thing...we can always lose weight. You will never be able to fix stupid.
mike k September 09, 2012 at 04:06 AM
I agree, you can't fix stupid. However we can bulldoze your Apartment Complex and raise the general IQ of Ellisville.
E. Schmidt September 09, 2012 at 12:23 PM
lower case mike k, You may want to pay close attention to what P&Z has on the agenda. A good corporate citizen wants to develop some property right up Old State Rd. from you. Something about a car lot??? The irony of course is that there were many car lot properties available on Manchester, but two small ones are tied up in the Walmart TIF and the largest eye-sore lots now have a moratorium on them. A car lot just up the block on Old State Rd. from you should certainly help accelerate the declining value of homes in your over-priced "gated community." Listing your property for sale again just got more problematic. Soon you may have some sympathy for the people who live on Covert, Macklin and Parkview Place who may be in the shadow of the Big Box Behemoth...if it gets built. This will give you something to do for a while. You'll be spending even more time at meetings at City Hall. Good luck with that.

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