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UPDATED: Ellisville Walmart Public Hearing Continued Wednesday Night

The Planning and Zoning Commission will consider Walmart’s petition for a conditional use permit to operate.

Editor's note: this article was updated at 5:25 with clarification of a comment made by Charles Pavlack, Planning and Zoning Commission member. A previous version incorrectly stated Mr. Pavlack had expressed support for Walmart. 

The Walmart issue in Ellisville seemed to have taken a summer hiatus since the .

But Ellisville residents concerned with the expansion will have another opportunity to voice their opinions during a public hearing by the set for 7 p.m., Wednesday, at .

Planning and zoning commission members will discuss Walmart’s application for a “conditional use permit to allow the operation of a retail facility over 50,000 square feet, a structure over 30 feet in height with a drive-through, and the sale of every class of liquors by the package and Sunday sales,” according to the city of Ellisville’s website,

A Planning and Zoning Commission member said in the past that he did not think council members needed to oppose the project only because a portion of the citizens opposed it. 

“This is not a democracy. It’s a representative republic. We elect you to guide our city, not to do our bidding,” where the TIFs were approved. 

Tell us in our comments section: Will you be attending Wednesday night’s Planning and Zoning meeting? What do you wish to say to Planning and Zoning members about the Walmart development?

E. Schmidt July 10, 2012 at 01:52 PM
Please attend the Planning and Zoning Public Hearing tomorrow night (Wednesday, July 11th) at City Hall. Arrive early to sign a Speakers Card (sheet) to make a public comment and get a seat. All you have to say is, “I am opposed to this project and these changes to allow it.” There are many zoning and code variances needed to squeeze this 155,000 sq. ft. building onto a lot that is too small to accommodate it. The size, lack of landscaped buffers, adequate fencing and sound walls will threaten the property values and the quality of life for area neighbors. Inadequate storm water control and management will create possible flooding to the south and damage Kiefer Creek. Increased traffic and congestion (10,000 cars a day) and added crime ( 250 + incidents per year) will affect everyone who lives in Ellisville. This is not a done deal. There are many steps in the process.
JS July 10, 2012 at 06:44 PM
I urge Ellisville residents to attend and voice their support. Problems cited by opponents of this redevelopment project, such as: increased crime, traffic congestion and storm water control, are not supported by the facts. The opponents of this project hope to silence the voice of those who are in favor of it through intimidation and lies. Don't let them get away with it: Voice Your Support!
E. Schmidt July 10, 2012 at 07:28 PM
You need facts? Here they are: Just google: walmart crime statistics or walmart traffic congestion Walmart and crime-- http://www.ilsr.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/bbtk-factsheet-policecosts.pdf and In 2004, there were a reported 148, 331 police calls across 514 Walmart stores analyzed. That equates to an average of 269 calls per store. (4) (4) “Crime and Walmart – Is Walmart Safe: An Analysis of Official Police Incidents at Walmart Stores” prepared by wakeupwalmart.com, Washington, D.C. May 1, 2006. http://www.losspreventionmagazine.com/customers/104120817472470/filemanager/Crime_Wal_Mart.pdf Walmart and traffic congestion-- An average size Walmart Supercenter will generate nearly 10,000 car trips per day. (1)(2) (1) The average Supercenter store size of 186,000 square feet, cited in Walmart Stores, Inc. Form 10-K for the year ended January 31, 2009. (2) Institute of Transportation Engineers Trip Generation Rates, 8th Edition, for Free Standing Discount Superstores (ITE Code 813). http://www.mikeontraffic.com/2009/08/trip-generation-8th-edition-spreadsheet.html
mike k July 10, 2012 at 08:36 PM
Make sure you attend the meeting Wednesday and voice your support. Ms. Schmidt is a bitter old woman who has nothing better to do than rail against progress in our fine city of Ellisville. She is not even a property owner so has no real financial stake in our community, only gets her jollys by fighting against against commerial progress in our city.
E. Schmidt July 10, 2012 at 09:22 PM
Forgot about the lawsuit. I still haven't been served...ROTFLMAO!!! I am beginning to think mike k is a foil somebody invented for me to "rail against." Can Walmart proponents really be this seemingly obtuse and juvenile?
mike k July 10, 2012 at 11:20 PM
Make sure you invite all your labor union thugs from Pacific to attend tomorrows meeting to rant about Walmart although it didn't do much good last time when the city council passed the TIF 5-2.
mike k July 11, 2012 at 03:23 AM
How's that recall of the district 1 & 2 representatives coming along? Haven't heard too much about that lately. Make sure you stop by our Kerryton Place villas when you're collecting your recall signatures. If it's too hot, I'd be glad to hose you down. By the way my IQ has been measured at 145 so I am anything but obtuse.
Fu July 11, 2012 at 04:11 AM
Damage has been done - and Walmart will be built so fast your head will spin. Then watch as all of the surrounding businesses leave big empty buildings making Ellisville a ghost town. Then (just like they did in Des Peres) Walmart will decide they aren't making enough money, then they will leave and provide Ellisville with a huge abandoned warehouse that no one else can fill.
E. Schmidt July 11, 2012 at 11:10 AM
Recall proceeding just fine. We have blank petitions in hand,
E. Schmidt July 11, 2012 at 11:20 AM
Fu I understand your concern. Walmart regularly leaves big hulking boxes to deteriorate and blight municipalities that at one time couldn't cough up enough millions to welcome them, The city council believes they've solved the big empty building problem by forcing Walmart to agree to tear it down if it remains vacant for more than a year. (or something along those lines.) But, it is unclear if they demanded a decommissioning bond or fund of some kind be established to cover the cost. Can't get an answer to that question. So, if this monster gets built and abandoned, there may not be the funding readily in place to handle demolition. More likely than not, some future city council will be suing Walmart to make good on the agreement.
E. Schmidt July 11, 2012 at 01:44 PM
Fu, If you haven't already, drop us an email at ellisvilleA9A@yahoo.com and introduce yourself. There are more projects on the drawing board. No doubt the city council will try to use TIF and the Threat of Eminent Domain again. Some changes are needed to prevent this from happening. You can lend a hand.
E. Schmidt July 11, 2012 at 02:39 PM
>>>By the way my IQ has been measured at 145 so I am anything but obtuse.<<< OK. Now I know he's fabricated. Thanks friends. But, we can argue the merits or lack of merits of this TIF project without resorting to creating characters so stilted and stereotyped they are laughable.
E. Schmidt July 11, 2012 at 04:40 PM
Concerned, I don't know if the arrests resulted in conviction. i don't know if they happened in Ellisville or somewhere else. I think if you know some of the particulars, you should address your concerns and inquires here http://www.stlouisco.com/YourGovernment/CountyDepartments/StLouisCountyCircuitCourt if you think it isn't being handled appropriately within the City of Ellisville. As to this >>>employees are being paid for time that they are not at work <<< if it can be documented, an open letter to the city council with cc to the press might be in order if you think supervisors, professional staff, or the city council itself is aware of the problem and not taking action. The Walmart TIF is not a done deal. There are many more steps in the process. The proponents would prefer we all roll-over and play dead or focus our attention somewhere else. Other projects are on the drawing board as well. The Threat of Eminent Domain and future TIFs are on the horizon.
mike k July 11, 2012 at 05:13 PM
All foolishness aside, I live in a gated senior community where many of the residents are on fixed income. We need the Walmart as well as other businesses in Ellisville to prevent loss of services such as free trash collection, snow removal, etc. Walmart will bring much needed competivie if not the lowest prices into the area within easy reach of Seniors and others struggling to survive in this difficult economic environment. It is very costly with gasoline prices consisently above $3.00 per gallon for Ellisville residents to have to drive to the Valley or way down Manchester Road to the nearest Walmart. Lastly, Walmart will eventually generate significant revenue to Ellisville which will be sorely needed in order for the residents to continue to receive including but not limited to local Police protection.
Jimmy C July 11, 2012 at 05:26 PM
What happens when Walmart leaves in 7-10 years (but still pays rent for an empty building) This is the current business model for Walmart.... (Fact!)... huh, Mr. IQ of 145? Where are you going to buy your milk then? Some other grocery stores will be out of business by this point.
Tired July 12, 2012 at 01:31 AM
Help-Help...The stormtrooper's from the BIG BAD WALMART IN THE SKY are coming...I mean it, like for real...I heard Jimmy C's friend, Mwatson, tell Fu's friend, THE BIG E all about it...Then THE BIG E said that the WALMARTSUPERTOOPER'S were going to swoop down, disguised as evil WALMART PATRONS, and strategically infiltrate every small business throughout the City of Ellisville...They weren't walking through the front doors though, ohhhh noooo, they're coming after sundown and entering through the roof, like some wayward Santa Claus...And then the real havoc begins, they covertly steal every business license issued, pull the electric, and return to the WALMART MOTHERSHIP, where they are heralded as heroes...Small business doesn't stand a chance...If only THE BIG E could get aboard that ship, and begin blogging, I think she could force them away, hence, saving us all...E, please help us...Our BAT SIGNAL is high in the sky.
mike k July 12, 2012 at 03:23 AM
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