Post-Walmart Special Election Would Cost Ellisville $8K to $10K

New information from the St. Louis County Board of Elections suggests that a special election for the city in the fallout of plans for a Walmart Superstore would cost between $8,000 and $10,000.

Following the to permit a Walmart Superstore, a recall aimed at removing the council members who supported the project could cost taxpayers between $8,000 and $10,000, a St. Louis County Board of Elections representative said Wednesday.

"That would be a minimum," elections director Rita Heard-Days said of the estimated expense.

Efforts to remove select city council members from office started earlier this month following the city council's vote to grant the developers of a Walmart Superstore a TIF or tax increment financing district. The TIF will allow the developer, The Sansone Group, to capture half of all new sales tax growth in the area of the project located .

In addition to outcry from residents and , the project has come under fire due to its impact on Clarkchester Apartments and , which will need to be demolished if and when the project advances.

In response, a group called the Ellisville Article 9 Alliance is who supported the project from office. In accordance with the city's charter, the group in the short term is targeting Councilmembers Dawn Anglin and Troy Pieper, two of the five council members who voted 'yes' on the project who would be eligible for removal from office this fall.

Recall leader Liz Schmidt said the group ideally would add the question of a recall to ballots for an existing election, such as November's presidential elections, when voter turnout historically is high. That Nov. 6 date would conflict with recall requirements set forth in the city's charter, however, which specifies that no official can be recalled within 180 days from that official’s next election; both Anglin and Pieper are scheduled for re-election in the April 2013 municipal elections, which fall within 180 days of Nov. 6.

Heard-Days of the St. Louis County Board of Elections said a recall held independently of an existing county election date would cost the between roughly $8,000 and $10,000 if applied to two of Ellisville's three voting districts. That would include the cost of paying people to work the polls, printing paper ballots, mailing election notices, transporting the voting equipment and tabulating votes.

"Those are some of the costs, not all of them, that would be associated with that process," she said. "It can be very expensive."

Heard-Days said additional costs could come from renting space for the election if public buildings were not available, among other expenses.

"So it can be quite a bit when you start adding it up."

Ellisville Finance Director Don Cary said typically, the cost of an election is split between the applicable taxing bodies, which often includes school districts, St. Louis County and the State of Missouri, among others.

"But if it's a special election, it's just the city doing it, so there's no other tax authorities to split it with," Cary said.

Liz Schmidt, who also is a resident of Clarkchester Apartments, said the cost of a special election would not deter her group's plans.

"That's not our problem," Schmidt said last week. "This is the cost of doing democracy."

E. Schmidt June 09, 2012 at 10:21 PM
Ethos, You’re a quite a “character,” now aren’t you?...Another gutless wonder hiding behind an internet moniker. >>> Good point E. I guess the city should keep that $10,000.00 that they would have to spend on your recall election for all these Wal-Mart crimes. The deal is done. Wal-Mart is coming."<<< Why don’t you ask the Chief what a “call for service” costs the City of Ellisville? He’s no dummy. He knows what this is gonna cost on a year-in-year-out basis. I suspect no one has bothered to ask him. $10,000 applied against an average of >>>…269 calls per store. (4)....<<< will barely get the Ellisville PD through the first few months...IF this debacle opens its doors. You think cops are cheap ??? You think cops work for Wal-Mart wages ??? You think cops don't want or deserve health care or a retirement package ??? Go ahead. Just ask the Chief. Let us know what he tells you.
mike k June 11, 2012 at 03:00 AM
Let's see, you call supporters of Walmart in Ellisville "unreal, gutless wonders, foils, rude, stupid characters, and other demeaning adjectives." I'm quite tired of your slurs against good people on this site that disagree with your position. I have one son and two daughters who are very successful practicing lawyers. I will be reviewing with them a potential lawsuit regarding defamation of character. You are not the only one living in Ellisville with legal recourse on this issue.
E. Schmidt June 11, 2012 at 11:43 AM
Yes. Do that and get back with me. "Foil"? "Gutless wonder" to someone hiding behind an internet moniker? You'll be laughed out of court. And of course that would require many of you to step forward and out of the shadows. Willing to do that are you? Again, nice to know what the opposition is made of.
E. Schmidt June 11, 2012 at 12:02 PM
I truly believe your lawyer-son's time would be better spent trying to recover some of that 90 MILLION dollars in stolen wages Wal-Mart took from Missouri employees like himself or his fellow employees (who didn't go on to "make it big" in the world of law.) Wal-Mart gave up and settled in 2009 when it realized its own internal security devices would "rat them out" and prove they made employees work for "free." Perhaps the settlement fund is still open for claims. The courts are for "real" justice...not "hurt feelings."
E. Schmidt June 11, 2012 at 01:56 PM
>>>...I just have more common sense then to hand out TIFs to solvent developers....<<< ...who aren't even building the store. Yes, your common sense is staggering by comparison. I'm still waiting on an explanation for this: [from the Development Agreement, p. 11, passed May 2, 2012] >>>3.4 ....The parties acknowledge that the Tenant will construct the New Store on behalf of the Developer.<<< I fear we will never get an answer as to how THIS happened...how Wal-Mart is building the store on behalf of Sansone... Any guesses???
mike k June 11, 2012 at 04:57 PM
You just don't get it do you, it's not about money, it's about the principle of the matter. I didn't appreciate the labor unions bringing in outside agitators to our town hall meetings to shout down the supports of Walmart project. You might say, I'm just standing up for the home owner citizens of Ellisville who have a much greater stake in the long term future of Ellisville compared to a group of transient renters.
mike k June 11, 2012 at 05:08 PM
defamation in Missouri - statements that tend to hold the victim (myself) up to contempt, hatred, ridicule, or cause him to be shunned or avoided. It tends to injure his reputation, to diminish the respect, goodwill and confidence in which the victim is held in the eyes of others. ----- see you in court
C. Panter June 11, 2012 at 05:41 PM
Personal attacks are SO classless. Let's stick to the topic and facts.
C. Panter June 11, 2012 at 05:46 PM
At least one council member does live off Kiefer Creek - Linda Reel, Ward 2. Her subdivision, however does not abutt the development property. I believe that would be just Clarkchester Apartments, Parkview Condominiums and maybe a handful of single family homes between those two developments.
C. Panter June 11, 2012 at 05:51 PM
In some cases, RIDICULOUSLY strict. Some poor hair salon couldn't even put out a real-estate-sized sign during prom season saying they offered hair extensions.
C. Panter June 11, 2012 at 05:53 PM
For me, it all starts with the idea that we don't need 4 WalMarts within just six miles of Manchester/Clarkson. That would really have the market over-saturated. Where do Sansone/Wal-Mart think the customers are going to come from?
C. Panter June 11, 2012 at 05:56 PM
...and what's with the zoning/planning signs on BOTH sides of Manchester near the site? No one in these meetings has said anything about re-development on the north side!
Jimmy C June 11, 2012 at 06:26 PM
mike k, things you have said…. "you are a disgusting human being," (defamation with malice...) "Lets make a $1000 side bet" (illegal online gambling proposition on local government business) " I race my Z06 corvette on weekends." (Maybe illegal if you do it off a track… but in my opinion we will file this comment between douche and bag.) Labor unions DID NOT bring any reps to the meetings. They should have, however. I believe you are an idiot. What character?? You are just an avatar. You are not even using a real name. you are just mike k. you could file a case that she is discriminating all the mike k’s in the world. you will still get laughed out of court.
E. Schmidt June 11, 2012 at 07:19 PM
Uh, mike k, Nobody knows who you are...you are also hiding behind an internet moniker... So, I think you need to read the law a little for carefully and be aware that...generally, a statement made about an undefinable group of people or organizations cannot be defamation... Just like the so-called horribly aggrieved proponents of Wal-Mart on the Patch comment boards who do not use their real names. Now there's a wronged class of people if there ever was one. And kudos to Jimmy C for catching this: >>>mike k, things you have said…. "you are a disgusting human being," (defamation with malice...)<<< You go get 'em Jimmy C. This would truly be hilarious if 250 people weren't in danger of being put out on the street. Yes, see you in court...whoever you are...because you're unidentifiable...Doh!
CSloan June 11, 2012 at 07:58 PM
"...compared to a group of transient renters" Wow. It takes a special kind of [insert defamatory word of choice] to toss this out in reference to 250 who are being displaced and wouldn't be leaving otherwise. Not the language of a good Lutheran, mike. You're close, Jimmy C, but I think we file the car between "mid-life crisis" and "crippling insecurity".
E. Schmidt June 11, 2012 at 08:20 PM
Some of those so-called "transient renters" have been here at Clarkchester going on 20 years (older ladies) other 15 years, 10-12 years...etc... I am a relative newcomer by comparison. The snottiness and superiority issues displayed by some unidentifiable persons hiding behind internet moinkers are truly stunning...and a little embarrassing,
E. Schmidt June 11, 2012 at 08:35 PM
mike k, >>>You just don't get it do you, it's not about money, it's about the principle of the matter.<<< It's ALL about the money...and that's why so-called "principles" got trashed...using the Treat of Eminent Domain to put 250 people out on the street didn't seem to bother the masterminds of the plan.
mike k June 11, 2012 at 11:21 PM
So much venom from you three. Yes, the Unions did bring in members to disrupt our town hall meetings. I talked to several of them who said they lived in Pacific but were told by their union bosses to show up at our meetings and shout down the Walmart proponents. I'm just glad nobody got beat up like that African American did by Union thugs at the St. Louis tea party rally in 2009.
E. Schmidt June 12, 2012 at 12:23 AM
Well when mike k serves me with his defamation lawsuit on behalf of all the unidentifiable, undefinable Wal-Mart proponents on the Patch comments board, I'll let all you so-called "Union thugs" know who mike k in fact is. You can then call your locals and internationals to notify the attorneys. Since I know quite a few Ellisville union members and also know that you are not "thugs," this will get interesting. Gee mike k, I think you just had a pot-kettle-black moment...but I'm sure it's lost on you.
Tired June 12, 2012 at 01:24 AM
Hey E...You're still here?...I heard you were moving, because, WALMART IS COMING.
E. Schmidt June 12, 2012 at 11:31 AM
>>>So much venom from you three.<<< Uh mike k...we aren't the ones threatening nuisance defamation lawsuits on behalf of cowards hiding behind internet monikers....the so-called >>>good people on this site that disagree with your position<<< Step forward from the shadows and tell us who you really are. Then we may have something to talk about.
E. Schmidt June 12, 2012 at 01:00 PM
C. Panter, Please call the number on the sign and attend the July 11 Planning and Zoning Public Hearing. Just call 636-227-9660 and ask for extension 3800. Listen to the recording. I wish I had more details myself. You can ask why the city but signs on both side of Manchester.
E. Schmidt June 13, 2012 at 11:20 AM
Since this comments section originally involved recall... Yesterday Petitioners' Committees from District 1 and District 2 filed affidavits to recall Dawn Anglin and Troy Pieper as it their right under Article 9. The committees are requesting a special election date of Tuesday, October 2, 2012. The committees are aware that the City Council has the ability to authorize special elections for municipal purposes and also has a reserve fund. The committees fully expect the City Council to approve the special election date and funding at the next City Council meeting June 20th and not thwart direct democracy. The right of citizens to direct democracy guaranteed in any city charter are not dependent on the convenience of government or the whim of popular opinion.
E. Schmidt June 13, 2012 at 03:34 PM
This proposed debacle will simply cannibalize shoppers from other Wal-Marts. When shoppers figure out they have to pay a whopping 10.175% sales tax to shop at not-so-special Wal-Mart Supercenter, the novelty will wear off quickly. Save money? Pay it out in higher taxes? They think people are stupid. And the store clearly doesn't have enough parking at either 4.25 or 4.5 spaces per 1,000 sq. ft. (depending on which site plan you look at.) When traffic backs up down Manchester during peak shopping times and days at that 4 way stop light, smart shoppers won't bother trying to get in and out of the store. They'll just blow through down Manchester as best they can. And the shoppers who do bother to get into the store will take a short cut down Weis Ave. to avoid the corner of Clarkson and Manchester Rds. Those unfortunate people who live to the north are gonna have a 4 way stop light feeding short cut traffic directly into their neighborhood. Even access and egress for the Ellisville PD will be dicey. Weis Rd. is way too narrow to allow them to negotiate that new four way corner with heavy traffic in an emergency. They can run their lights and sirens all they want...it won't make Weis Rd. any wider... And forget about making a left and parking at Barney's BBQ...or worse, trying to back out of the lot onto Weis Ave. to leave.
Charles Pavlack June 13, 2012 at 06:31 PM
The zoning signs on the north side of Manchester are for Ruby's Guns, which has an application for a conditional use permit before the City Council (with a positive recommendation from the P&Z Commission) at their next meeting. The same generic signs are used for any Zoning matter before either the Council or the P&Z. There are also signs up by Five Guys, for a Dunkin' Donuts CUP to be considered at that same Council meeting.
mike k June 13, 2012 at 08:22 PM
You can't handle the truth.
mike k June 13, 2012 at 08:24 PM
You think the council is going to approve the special election. Good luck with that.
E. Schmidt June 14, 2012 at 06:31 PM
They can choose to abide by the law in Article 9 of the City Charter or not. As I said, guaranteed rights are not dependent on the convenience of government or the whim of popular opinion. They can do the right thing or not...and let the chips will fall where they may. It's really that simple.
mike k June 14, 2012 at 06:53 PM
Even if you by some miracle recall Ms. Dawn Anglin, I plan to run for her vacated position. I have contacted the Koch brothers and they have agreed to fund my campaign.
E. Schmidt June 14, 2012 at 07:07 PM
Then the attorneys for the locals and internationals representing the "union thugs" you mentioned will finally know where to direct their nuisance defamation lawsuits. Stepping out of the shadows in a big way, no? No more hiding...good for you.


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