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St. Louis County Police Chief Wants to Arm School Officials With Guns

In the wake of the Newtown, CT school massacre, St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch will visit schools this week to discuss increasing security, including putting guns in elementary schools.

According to KMOV.com, St. Louis County Police Chief Tim Fitch and police officers will begin visiting St. Louis County schools Monday morning.

Fitch said he's received numerous calls from area schools concerned about security since Friday's mass shooting in a Newtown, CT elementary school. 

Fitch acknowledges that most high schools and some middle schools, including those in West County, have armed school resource officers. 

However, elementary schools are not normally protected by officers. Fitch wants to see armed resource officers or armed school officials in those schools, according to KSDK.

He points out that Sandy Hook Elementary School conducted threat drills and locked its doors once class started, but that did not stop suspected shooter Adam Lanza from gunning down 20 children and six women Friday. 

St. Louis area schools also lock their doors when class starts and conduct threat drills. However, this week, Fitch plans to meet with school officials throughout the county to discuss increasing security at schools even more. 

His proposal includes putting guns in the schools, particularly the elementary schools. He said the weapons would remain locked up with trained staff members having access to them in an emergency. 

What do you think about Chief Fitch's proposal? Do you have a better suggestion? Post your thoughts in the comments below.

Watch KMOV's entire here.

Watch KSDK's story here. 

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Mike K December 17, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Two words: Vicarious Trauma.
From another Patch article: A St. Louis-based crime victims' advocacy group alerted parents to remind their children that such vicious violence is rare and that they should not be afraid to go about their daily lives and familiar routines.“Children should be taught to always be aware of their surroundings," said Julie Lawson, President and CEO of the Crime Victim Advocacy Center in St. Louis, in a statement. "But they also need to be reminded that this is an unusual situation and they should not fear going to school or other familiar places. She said it would not be unusual for parents and children to suffer from "vicarious trauma" — being afraid that the same thing will happen.
Will December 17, 2012 at 01:29 pm
So our response is more guns? What happens if that 'trained staff member' has some sort of trama unknown to us and turns that weapon on our kids? I think we need to think that one over.
Tim McNabb December 17, 2012 at 01:32 pm
I think this is an excellent idea. According to John Lott, a researcher into the use of firearms in crimes, “With just one single exception, the attack on congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords in Tucson in 2011, every public shooting since at least 1950 in the U.S. in which more than three people have been killed has taken place where citizens are not allowed to carry guns.”
Mass murderers pick vulnerable targets. http://ow.ly/g9Vpo
Tim McNabb December 17, 2012 at 01:35 pm
Will, guns are here to stay, and bad people will have access to them. Gun free zones are not working. To keep doing that which is not working and expecting a different result is itself a form of madness.
Any adult responsible enough to teach children is responsible enough to carry a firearm. If you personally are nervous around guns, ask a gun-nut friend to take you shooting. You'll get over it.
James S. Copeland, DC December 17, 2012 at 01:45 pm
All I can say is if they do arm the school administrators, they had better get some serious training! Will they have them roam the halls with a holster and gun, or will they carry assault rifles? Why not just have a police officer or two stationed at each school. They don't have much to do anyway other than drive around looking for traffic violators.
Pam Lieber December 17, 2012 at 02:01 pm
YES! This is an excellent idea! Please don't only focus on the Elementary schools however! I know we have 1 armed officer at the middle and high schools but we need MORE than 1 in those buildings as they are very large! I am ALL for having properly trained admin, teachers or personnel at the schools who are prepared to take down any armed psycho! It's sad that we have to resort to this but the kid's,teachers and the people working at the schools are sitting ducks!! They can't even lock the doors from the inside of the classrooms if a crazy person is running down the hall with a gun! It doesn't really matter that the schools are locked during the day as ANYONE can waltz through the doors in the morning.....they could also easily hide! The windows can be easily shot out of someone wants in that bad! I actually saw a comment that the parents didn't want the teachers to be able to lock the doors from the inside as they feared a crazy teacher might lock the door and assault the kid's......THIS is ridiculous!!! PUT DEADBOLTS on those doors and have trained ARMED(more than 1) admin, teachers, or personnel in those schools!
Caffeinated December 17, 2012 at 02:14 pm
Wow, some editorial license taken with this Patch regurgitation.
The Chief isn't proposing "arming" staff. From the original article: "He said one possibility would be keeping guns locked inside the schools, and available only to trained staff members in emergency situations." not: "St. Louis County Police Chief Wants to Arm School Officials With Guns" ...which brings to mind arming everyone. Poor journalism, Ms. Biondo.
Pam Lieber December 17, 2012 at 02:24 pm
So who are you thinking would be the "trained staff members"???? I would think that would be admin, teachers or school personnel who are trained. We have plenty of x military "staff" at the schools......I am sure they are already trained! Would be a good place to start!!
John Riess December 17, 2012 at 02:30 pm
Imagine first responders coming on to the following scene -- multiple shooters exchanging fire over the heads of dozens of screaming children. Will the armed administrators know one another or just shoot at anybody with a gun? Will all the shooters be wearing "Good Guy"/"Bad Guy" signs? Or maybe the first responders should just shoot everyone with a gun and as they say, "let God sort 'em out"?
Scott Simon December 17, 2012 at 02:33 pm
Attend a firearms training course. You'll quickly learn that experts are able to find out who should not be licensed to CCW and how they do it. Right now, staff members can have the unknown trauma you write about and recklessly use a weapon.
Caffeinated December 17, 2012 at 02:33 pm
"We have plenty of x military "staff" at the schools......I am sure they are already trained!"
You're sure they're already trained? Really? What kind of training? Do you have any idea what kind of training, and the level of maintenance is takes SWAT teams to undertake urban assault tactics? Do you have any idea what protocols they operate under to ensure they don't kill innocents? You think a gun safety course and an occasional visit to the range is sufficient training? We need LEOs in the school. The idea that there's control on who has access to the locker, and that it could be monitored is a far better scenario than putting guns in holsters on the hips of a janitor and teachers.
Will December 17, 2012 at 02:44 pm
I know all to well about guns, Tim. Unfortunately nothing is being learned here. Keep thinking the way you do, that is the blessing of born an American. However you cannot argue with the data that the problem is been getting worse. So sure let just keep doing what we doing, it has been working so well! If only we could talk to those parents( as they have direct experience we gun violence) and get some insight. As far as teacher being good enough to teach and thus qualified to handle a gun. I could but won't ( as it won't matter to you) send you countless links to teachers who have made beyond poor decision eg. raped and molested children in there care.
I was really trying to have a open and well balanced discussion because I think that will be the thing that save lives and still allow gun ownership in our country. Let talks to the Canadians and figure out how they can have a significantly more guns per person than we and have a fraction of the gun violence. In this discussion I don't care to posture and hold on to my beliefs. I have two little kids that I send to Parkway everyday I care for us to get this right! No worries gun enthusiast you will hear no more from me as you try to explain me why a 20 year old disturbed kid had access to a semi automatic assault rifle. And to those in the self defense camp, a single bullet will do the job just was well as any military grade weapon that you feel your Second Amendment right allows you to possess.
Pam Lieber December 17, 2012 at 03:17 pm
@caffeinated: The IDEAL would be for multiple law enforcement officers(armed) at EVERY school.......however, what do you think the reality of that is??? Have you been to Marquette High School or any of the large high schools? Trust me, 1 armed officer would NOT be ideal. I think you are wrong when you underestimate how trained some "civilians and x military" are with guns!! I personally know more than a few "civilians" that are expert marksman! I am willing to at least start talking about ACTION as I have 2 children at Rockwood schools everyday. I really don't care that they are "practicing" the intruder alert drills. Without even a classroom door to lock these kid's are sitting ducks! I'm sorry but these people who KEEP talking about the teachers(if they get locks on the doors) locking the door and molesting the children should keep their kid's at home and homeschool!!!!!!
Mike K December 17, 2012 at 05:28 pm
Keep in mind that the weapons used in Sandy Hook were owned and registered to the ahooter's mother, herself a victim. So the questions I have are these:
Do you consider the mother of the shooter, a victim herself, since she was a teacher at the school posessing (lawfully) these weapons, to be 'qualified staff'? What was this woman needing a semi-automatic rifle for at home, in the peaceful town of Newport? My point is that there will always be crazy people and evil people and both. We should not just look at prevention, but also avoidance from a risk perspective. Arming schools will just move the evil crazy folks to pick a more vulnerable target for their victims. And the end result of that process is a police state. I really wish there were some other options than going more of the same and expecting a different result.
Tim McNabb December 17, 2012 at 08:21 pm
John, this is a cartoon of what would likely happen. In almost all defensive gun uses, it is one shooter versus one armed criminal. First responders typically arrive long after the worst has happened. The body count of an active shooter who is unresisted is far larger than that of one who is resisted.
Tim McNabb December 17, 2012 at 08:37 pm
I think we are making this way too complicated. One need not be a SWAT-trained individual to provide deterrent and effective resistance to an active shooter. Murderers are not well-trained. Basic marksmanship and mental preparedness will do the job in 99.9% of situations. Over time just the knowledge that schools are no longer filled with defenseless adults will change the calculus of those who would commit mass murder.
Tim McNabb December 17, 2012 at 08:47 pm
Will says: "So sure let just keep doing what we doing, it has been working so well"
You are making my point. Gun Free Zones have been a leftist fad for decades, and they simply do not work. We need to do something different, like trusting grown-ups to be responsible if they choose to carry a firearm for self-protection.
Caffeinated December 17, 2012 at 08:58 pm
Tim, gunplay in a school is not a simple contest of marksmanship. As for being a "deterrent," you are ascribing logic to the illogical.
As a parent of two kids in Rockwood, I would not want a teacher carrying in the classroom.
Pam Lieber December 17, 2012 at 09:05 pm
YES!
Pam Lieber December 17, 2012 at 09:07 pm
YES to Tim Mcnabbs comment
jim paul December 17, 2012 at 09:59 pm
Tim is right. I can think of a couple of people working at the school,(that my children attend) that I would trust in having a firearm.
Tim McNabb December 18, 2012 at 01:43 am
Caffeinated said: "Tim, gunplay in a school is not a simple contest of marksmanship. As for being a "deterrent," you are ascribing logic to the illogical."
I disagree with your statement. The mad are not illogical, or irrational. Their moral sense is compromised - profoundly - but they are not incapable of rational thought within their own framework. The shoot up schools, not police stations or gun shops.
Mike K December 18, 2012 at 03:33 am
Putting guns will just move these events to some other venue of defenseless people. A theatre. A church. A library. A fast-food restaurant. A sporting event. Etc. Only a matter of time for a Walmart to show up on that list.
It won't stop these acts any more than using 'The Club' reduces car theft. It doesn't. It just moves the crime to some other car that doesn't have one.
AEK December 18, 2012 at 03:48 am
I am for the staff being equipped with guns at school...maybe this would make the "sick" think twice about their sick plan of killing innocent people...it would most likely result in a failed attempt, and then they would not be "in the spotlight" with the media....that's another thing, the MEDIA, needs to NOT even acknowledge the sick that commit these horrid acts of violence. It is only planting the seed in the next sicko's mind to do the same...............Peace, and God Bless....
AEK December 18, 2012 at 03:51 am
Also, the staff member could react immediately versus the Police getting there after minutes, by that time, it's too late....
AEK December 18, 2012 at 03:57 am
I am a teacher myself, with 2 children, and one on the way...teachers LOVE their job and their students. I would have protected those students with my life. Many other teachers I know would do the same, and I would feel safe with teachers being educated in the use of guns as a defense against the "sick"....
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